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TakenusernameA 61 points ago +61 / -0

Why are potheads so self defensive?

Alcoholics and cigarette abusers at least admit they have a problem

Its almost like weed has mind affecting properties beyond just making you high.

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StillplayenSometimes [S] 30 points ago +30 / -0

You don't know what its like to be opresseeddd mannnnn

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KingSweyn 7 points ago +7 / -0

It's because potheads don't identify as addicts, even though they are. We are.

How can I put it... Ice cream is useless calories and garbage for your body, but you can recognize that and still eat ice cream and not have an issue with it. In other words, it's not a big challenge to have a regulated addiction. Marijuana is the same way. So it's just like people who don't want to admit they have a food addiction because they're only 30 or 40 lb overweight instead of 100 or 150. The degree of addiction doesn't change the fact that there is an addiction. I don't expect people to be all ashamed about it, but don't act like it's something to be proud of.

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Homopratensis2 2 points ago +2 / -0

Weed is at least as bad a tobacco.

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MGTAU 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm a weed smoker and I'll be first to admit I'd like to smoke less. I used to think it was harmless but its definitely not. It can cause a lot of issues and I think its like alcohol.

Wanna have a few drinks on a weekend with friends? Go see a show and smoke a joint? Camping trip with rum and smokes?

Thats fine but the habitual and dependent use is not.

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Notablitheringidiot -2 points ago +6 / -8

Love seeing people who are here every day (quite literally addicted to the internet) talking about addiction. 🤣

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PurestEvil 8 points ago +8 / -0

There is a difference between accepting an addiction exists and championing for it.

I don't think many people here are cheering on for internet consumption - in fact there are people who go off grid, and people here cheer them on for doing so.

It is perfectly consistent.

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Notablitheringidiot -1 points ago +2 / -3

But the rub is in the word “addiction”. How do you define it? Is a puff before bed an addiction? Only on weekends?

There seems to be a hardline around here I find a bit silly when it comes to pot, always full of anecdotes.

My anecdotal experience is everyone I know who smokes pot has a full-time job, children etc. and the only scizophrenic people I know have never touched the stuff.

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covok48 5 points ago +5 / -0

Oooo wow you’re so clever Gen z.

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Notablitheringidiot 0 points ago +2 / -2

Takes one to know one. Bunch of addicts up in here.

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FBoysInc 28 points ago +28 / -0

Yes there are dangers to cannabis. You CAN get addicted, just look up r/Leaves. I'd say over all it is safer than a lot of pharmaceuticals but that does not mean it should be used willy nilly.

I fucking hate pot heads. They refuse to have any sort of intelligent discussion about the cons of cannabis. "I'm not addicted!" sure buddy.

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RussianShillBot9000 17 points ago +19 / -2

First and foremost, if you want to talk about cannabis as a medicine, get rid of the notion of SMOKING IT. There is no medicine that you fucking SMOKE. Burning and inhaling literally any plant is going to give you lung cancer.

Like, I get it. I advocate for the medical use. But not ever smoking it. Extract it in oil, take a measurable quantity with food. Treat it like a medicine.

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Side-o-Beef_Curtains 8 points ago +8 / -0

If they do that, how are they supposed to get fucked up?

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InfidelCastro11 5 points ago +5 / -0

You still can, it's even easier to take large doses if you eat it. Smoking is just faster and part of retarded stoner culture

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Side-o-Beef_Curtains 3 points ago +3 / -0

Of course you can, I was just being a smart ass to point out that these people don't care about medicinal uses. They are immersed in the drug culture and they want to get high.

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MGTAU 1 point ago +1 / -0

Edibles and tinctures are so much stronger than smoked herb.

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Side-o-Beef_Curtains 1 point ago +1 / -0

I gave up weed so long ago pot brownies were home made and nobody called them edibles.

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ItsOkayToBeWight 2 points ago +2 / -0

Quite a few medicines are inhaled. Nebulizing is a technique to turn something into a vapor so it can be inhaled.

Nebulized hash oil would be interesting.

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Notablitheringidiot -2 points ago +4 / -6

Burning and inhaling literally any plant is going to give you lung cancer.

I see the disingenuous anti-tobacco lobby got to you too.

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Thehoboinyourtrash 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ash does not belong in your lungs, end of discussion.

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Notablitheringidiot -2 points ago +1 / -3

That’s not how it works you pants-on-head.

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Thehoboinyourtrash 2 points ago +2 / -0

Begone stinky face.

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RussianShillBot9000 1 point ago +1 / -0

What do you mean?

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MGTAU 1 point ago +1 / -0

You can absorb things through the lungs but ya.. smoke damage isn't good. That's why air pollution is so dangerous long term.

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Notablitheringidiot 0 points ago +1 / -1

I know, but the juicy take nobody seemed to get what that smoking=cancer is a correlation, not a certainty.

Saying it will give you cancer is objectively wrong.

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MGTAU 1 point ago +1 / -0

Its causation. You can literally watch cells under a microscope deteriorate when exposed to smoke. DNA is also damaged by the radiation which causes the cancer as cells mutate beyond typical natural limits. Other things cause DNA damage like sun radiation, x-rays, chemicals etc.

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Notablitheringidiot 0 points ago +1 / -1

Yes it can cause cancer.

Some smokers never develop lung cancer.

Again, calling it an inevitability is factually incorrect.

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MGTAU 2 points ago +2 / -0

Some people can shoot themselves in the head and survive too

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Thehoboinyourtrash 1 point ago +1 / -0

My dad smokes, he can't run 10 feet without being out of breath. He started at 14.

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GigaVaxxed 10 points ago +12 / -2

The most dangerous part of it is the fact that it permanently affects your cognitive abilities if you use it before the age of 24.

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FBoysInc 6 points ago +8 / -2

Those predisposed to schizophrenia are doubly fucked.

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GigaVaxxed 5 points ago +5 / -0

Don’t tempt me with a good time.

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Emacs 1 point ago +1 / -0

Giving the voices in my head schizophrenia because I keep making fun of them

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ParadigmShift2070 3 points ago +3 / -0

I don't have any data but it really seems like it lowers your iq by about 10, if your original iq is average or above, dropping 10 isn't that bad, you can still get normal jobs and manage your life to be productive, but if you're already below average, dropping 10 really turns you into a retard

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TendieMan 1 point ago +1 / -0

Can I get a source? Sounds interesting.

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ParadigmShift2070 2 points ago +2 / -0

it came to me in a dream. lol I already said I don't have any data, just personal anecdote

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PepesCovfefe 7 points ago +7 / -0

Read my comment on this thread. People they use weed are universally weirdos, untrustworthy, and unreliable.

Why? I don’t know. But it’s a fact.

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RarestPepe 26 points ago +27 / -1

The eternal Handshake being once again concerned about muh optics.

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lariloles 2 points ago +2 / -0

exactly. they do this all the time to control your behaviour. "you don't want people to say mean things about you, right?".

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EmbraceMonke 20 points ago +20 / -0

If you want support for you pot and porn addictions, maybe don't seek it in an anti-consumption, self-help forum?

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AntiSanctimonious 20 points ago +20 / -0

Nooo! How will consumeproduct survive without the coomer potheads! come back!

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serengetidesert1973 10 points ago +10 / -0

Imagine getting defensive about beating your dick and smoking the negro herb.

I used to smoke pot socially, it's literally an escape. Every single pothead I've met retreats into the abyss until the high subsides. You can barely talk to them. It also distorts perception of reality when sober, you literally have batches of time your mind struggles to comprehend and interpret so you have to compensate by trying to ignore any thoughts like "how was I perceived", "how are people effected by me" and "did I do the right thing".

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Nose_noticer_II 10 points ago +11 / -1

I used to think just legalize it. Why not?

Then I walked around Denver, Colorado.

I realized why not.

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lariloles 3 points ago +3 / -0

(((they))) want to do to the west in the 21st century what (((they))) did to china in the 19th century.

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RussianShillBot9000 10 points ago +11 / -1

Buh buh buh my beloved drug! I need it to feel normal so I love it, it's become a core part of my identity so let me rationalize it

Bro if you're reading this, quit smoking weed. Go to the r/leaves. Buy "The Joy of Quitting Cannabis". Do what you gotta do, quit getting high you fucking pedo.

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GigaVaxxed 8 points ago +9 / -1

Imagine basing your entire personality and ideology off of a weed that grows out of cracks in the sidewalk.

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PepesCovfefe 7 points ago +7 / -0

They’re wearing it on their shirt and hat and shit; these people are beyond retarded.

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MasksAreChildAbuse 8 points ago +8 / -0

I don’t understand the desire for pot.

It just smells so utterly disgusting.

I’ve done it maybe 5-6 times in my life, and every time was just because I was with friends. But I honestly can’t say those experiences were better because of it. If anything they were worse because of the smell and how my mouth felt/tasted afterwards.

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PepesCovfefe 7 points ago +7 / -0

God the smell is so disgusting.

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Notablitheringidiot -5 points ago +2 / -7

Fuck yeah baby keep going, don’t stop.

How about how STUPID pot smokers are?

Those idiots man. Fucking idiots unlike us.

Keep going baby.

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buggyd 2 points ago +2 / -0

I can't imagine anyone does drugs for the smell or taste, it's just for the effect. Most people think beer is disgusting the first time, but you get used to it like anything else.

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PepesCovfefe 7 points ago +7 / -0

I can only speak from personal experience:

I have been friends with many people in my life, many of whom like to smoke weed and/or liked to drink alcohol.

I can tell you now as a mature adult: the people that like to smoke weed are universally untrustworthy, unreliable, shady, and complete weirdos.

I’m not offering a reason for why this is. I am only sharing my experience. I would actual appreciate input from others on why this is the case.

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Call_Me_Kaiser 5 points ago +5 / -0

Notice how the only people who claim you are bad for not liking it are the people doing it

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oilwellpauper 3 points ago +3 / -0

every habitual weed smoker I've ever met is a massive loser

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damnesia 3 points ago +3 / -0

As someone who smoked weed off and on for 15 years, mostly on, I can say it really isn't addictive. It's not physically addictive. It can be mentally addictive in the way that anything can be mentally addictive. I personally don't think I was mentally addicted because I would quit for months at a time with no noticeable issues. But...

After the first few years I would say that it was a big waste of time and money. It made me lazy. My inability to squeeze the joy out of it that I used to lead me to do harder drugs that I actually did get addicted to. I wasn't addicted to weed. I was addicted to feeling good and escaping my negative emotions. Once weed didn't really do that any more it only served to enhance whatever it was I was doing that did do that. The problems in my life were made worse by weed's tendancy to make me lazy, which just further fed my need for harder substances to escape my now more negative feelings.

It really was a gateway drug for me. Anti-drug propaganda did share some blame though. Once I did try marijuana and saw that it wasn't really that bad, it caused me to question everything else I was told would ruin my life. I would say that it's not as bad as alcohol, but that's because it doesn't have the negative side effects that alcohol has which is, in a way, worse. Alcohol is it's own deterrent. Pot doesn't announce when you've had too much.

Weed won't ruin your life, but the bad habits that weed encourages will. That is what people should be taught. Not fearful propaganda. Not puritanical absitenance for the sake of an authority. Those methods do not work forever on a curious and questioning mind. You are what you consistently do and anything that encourages slothfulness or pleasure seeking will inevitably lead to habits that do not serve you if you do it too much. Have goals, be mindful of your actions and eliminate those that interfere with your objectives.

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Hyperborean_Dream 3 points ago +5 / -2

Pot is alright in my book. Never had any problems with it. A nice joint every now and then along with some good music is a very nice, relaxing experience. Then again this is my experience only; your mileage may vary.

I could see how it spiral out of control and become a problem for some folks. Some people just seem to have problems with substance abuse. Those people should keep a healthy distance away from not just pot, but all recreational drugs and alcohol.

Also, I'm 100% against kids / young adults doing it, because brain development and all that. IIRC the brain isn't done developing until early to mid 20's on females, mid to late 20's on males. More of a reason to wait it out 'til later in life.

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Notablitheringidiot -2 points ago +2 / -4

I'm 100% against kids / young adults doing it, because brain development and all that.

I shudder to think how much more depressed I’d be if I was any more intelligent and capable of critical thinking than I already am.

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BigBeef 2 points ago +2 / -0

YOU vill smok ze veed ant you vill be heppy

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crash7863 2 points ago +6 / -4

Porn is bad though.

Pot is a drug, like alcohol, that is pretty much harmless if used in small doses. I don't really know anyone that uses either in small doses though.

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RussianShillBot9000 10 points ago +10 / -0

I don't really know anyone that uses either in small doses though.

Insight.

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Side-o-Beef_Curtains 7 points ago +7 / -0

It's a measure of the man, not the drug. Strong, righteous men drink a beer because they like the taste. Weak, slaves to vice consume drugs and alcohol as a form of escapism to make them forget that they are weak, worthless, genetic dead ends and the rest of humanity would benefit from their absence.

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crash7863 3 points ago +4 / -1

I think you have something there and I hope you elaborate more in the future.

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TendieMan 1 point ago +1 / -0

I drink alcohol to not be left out in social functions.

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Side-o-Beef_Curtains 1 point ago +1 / -0

I quit 15 years ago. It was awkward for 3 months and then I realized nobody cared what I was drinking. After that I got invited everywhere because I could drive home.

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TheDetached 1 point ago +1 / -0

Porn and video games are visual drugs. They give you artificial stimulations.

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AverageConsoomer420 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don't really know anyone that uses either in small doses though.

You don't know anyone who has a glass of wine or a couple beers after work?

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crash7863 1 point ago +1 / -0

In where I live? Nope. Either full blown drunks or former drunks who are now sober.

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Half_alive 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yes. In a culture that glorifies hedonism and degenerate faggots, I am an extremist.

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covok48 2 points ago +2 / -0

All I ever hear is that the war on drugs was bad....from drug users.

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n0n3wn0ri3 2 points ago +2 / -0

It’s hard to

  1. Recognize and accept personal short comings
  2. Take ownership of them
  3. Change or accept them Dude might have just woke up and is having a hard time accepting it
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lariloles 1 point ago +1 / -0

be my guest to leave, pot head & coomer

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scv122 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's weird cause that dude's name is Muh_Condishuns which would make you think he's one of us lol

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YEETveteran8888 1 point ago +1 / -0

Being too rigid about avoiding things that will fuck your life up… yeah

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yeldarb1983 1 point ago +1 / -0

Anything taken to excess is bad for you, or as my Grandmother puts it, "too much of a good thing is still too much."

Drinking too much water will poison you

Taking too much of certain vitamins can cause toxicity

And don't get me fucking started on eating too much food.

The problem is, because Dee Nile aint just a river in Egypt, there are people who will feel the need to justify their own self-destructive behavior whenever they're confronted about it.

Is pot good for you or bad for you? Yes.

Is porn good for you? not really, but you could make an argument for moderate consumption the same way you would for eating a piece of cake on your birthday or smoking the occasional cigarette when you're stressed out.

What I find so ironic is the way these same people will put "sex workers"(read: prostitutes and pornographers) up on a pedestal while simultaneous shaming people for "objectification" of women.

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caravanofdeath 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have no idea about the actual truth about the benefits of weed, if there are any. All I know is my life experience that people into smoking weed and untrustworthy, unreliable, and mentally slow. It could be that those types of dull people are drawn into drug culture, or it could be the drug making them that way. Who knows.

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TheDetached 1 point ago +1 / -0

lose converts and new followers. You're all just too rigid

And that's a good thing. No more pandering to the common denominator. Enough is enough.

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Coyot3 -3 points ago +5 / -8

<insert misused Bible quote>

Cannabis is habit forming, not addicting. You can really want to smoke a bowl, but would never consider sucking a strangers dick to afford it. r/Leaves can say whatever anecdotal bullshit and reddit feel bad karma farming nonsense they want > there is ZERO chemical dependency, you are just a bitch that has no discipline. (i dont care about "muh experiences" > show me the literature)... Now with the vape bullshit that is a different story because companies are adding in chemicals that would not be there from regular plant bud. Tobacco is not addictive, but nicotine is.

That being said, our culture has completely idolized it, and that is fucking pathetic. If you identity revolves around weed, you are probably a POS. When CO legalized it, people moved from all over the country to be able to smoke weed, and trust me it was not the "best and brightest" showing up. People would roll into work stoned, my football team got kicked from a hotel because someone couldn't control themselves.

It is also now a corporate profit scheme, and just like with every single other industry it has been forced to march towards profits. Higher THC content, cheaper bud, they even have a synthetic that can avoid detection on piss tests. It is also really bad for kids. When your brain is developing, smoking pot increases your chances of developing schizophrenia and bi-polar disorders.

The dangers that you all see with marijuana are not specific to the plant itself, but more from the hedonistic culture that already envelopes this country. Americans simply don't have self control. You know what's worse than pot? Video games (actually addictive).

The only reason I care to bring this up is because if you blame pot for YOUR failings, you can never address the actual problems in your life. Marijuanna gets a bad rap because there are a lot of losers in our society, and they are overrepresented in the MJ community at the same time corporations are doing what corporations do... Remember how DRs used to say cigarettes are good for you? Anyone ever tell you pot cures cancer and other shit like that? Same shit, different chemical.

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 6 points ago +6 / -0

Behold I have given to you every plant whose seed is sown, that is upon the face of all the earth"

WRONG. Not what it says.

Try again?

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Coyot3 2 points ago +2 / -0

Enlighten me

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CuomoisaMassMurderer 9 points ago +9 / -0

Ya gotta finish the sentence! It says all that is given to us FOR FOOD.

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Coyot3 1 point ago +1 / -0

I will concede the specific quote does not apply the way I intended, and I'll remove it from the larger argument. In thinking about it now the idea of dominion would apply to everything and it kind of a weak point. Thanks

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AverageConsoomer420 1 point ago +1 / -0

It is also now a corporate profit scheme, and just like with every single other industry it has been forced to march towards profits. Higher THC content, cheaper bud, they even have a synthetic that can avoid detection on piss tests.

So the same goals with breeding it as there has always been, but you're less likely to end up unknowingly getting a batch spiked with fentanyl?

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ScutFarkus -9 points ago +2 / -11

The people that downvoted you had a console controller within arms reach when they did.

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Coyot3 8 points ago +8 / -0

I'd rather people clutch pearls and think MJ turns you gay than fuck up their lives by perpetually misunderstanding how they ended up where they are.