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TheDetached 28 points ago +31 / -3

We had one of those pagan shills over here. I asked him/it what was their equivalent bible. What was their final authority to deal with all kinds of situations. What did their Gods demand that could better their tribe/civilization. The answer i was given :

"HUR DURHH!! You don't need a special book to believe in your pagan religion like Christcucks do."

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Pelides 13 points ago +20 / -7

If your ‘pagan’ couldn’t answer that, he was a shitty larper. The Havamal contains wisdom and teachings attributed directly to Odin. Some of them would be familiar to Christians, like telling people not to commit adultery, or telling people not to be miserly money-grubbers.

The reason Asatru appeals to me while Christianity does not, though, is that our book of teachings goes on to give advice that will actually make white men a force in the world— it has teachings more in line with ConPro. It teaches you to go armed. It teaches you to own land and pass it to your children. It teaches you to forge strong connections with friends. It teaches you not to become fat and drunk. It teaches you to be suspicious of the motives of women, but also that raising a family is the most important thing.

I’d really encourage everyone here to read the Havamal— it’s shorter than the Book of Proverbs and (like Proverbs) does not require advanced knowledge of the religion to understand. It’s framed differently than the Bible, in that these are not commandments. They’re not “do this or you’re damned.” They’re teachings— words to live by. You’re welcome to ignore the god of wisdom’s own insights, even though he paid a high price to get them. You CAN ignore them, but you definitely shouldn’t.

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inb4civilwar 11 points ago +12 / -1

Regis Codex. Jews have infiltrated Protestantism almost fully, where made up American dog brained versions establish a path to money for English derived peoples in America. Which is essentially Mormonism, Adventists, 7th Day, etc. These are religions that have stripped out "pagan" ie White influence. Dungeons and Dragons, elves, ogres, all of this is viewed as Satanic by these greedy dog brained jew worshippers. Look at Western civ., the Greeks, the Romans, the Northern Europeans lost to history, why we have the names of the week we do, the history of Santa Claus, the history of Easter, the European Pagans coming to Christianity, but being smashed down by evangelical jew worshipping dolts and jews pushing White hatred while taking ALL of the educated jobs now and they are laughing at you while you struggle and die. You find peace and the spirit of Christ through empathy and education, and these fake christian hillbillies and evil fucking jews know it. QUIT. WORSHIPPING. JEWS.

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iDinduNuffin -9 points ago +6 / -15

QUIT. WORSHIPPING. JEWS.

That requires not being any form of Christian.

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inb4civilwar 6 points ago +7 / -1

Found the plant.

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iDinduNuffin -4 points ago +5 / -9

You worship a person called "Yeshua" who spoke jewish Aramaic, was born in a jewish village called "Nazareth", preached that he was the "Mashiach" ("messiah") fulfilling the prophecies of the "Torah" (Old Testament), written by jews. You uphold this as the holy text of your religion alongside the accounts of Yeshua's jewish disciples, ("Saul", "Mattiyahu", "Bartholomew", "Simeon", etc.) as written in the New Testament, again by jews.

You tell White people this is a White religion.

The plant is you.

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inb4civilwar 4 points ago +5 / -1

Christianity is an amalgam of European Paganism, Greek and Roman religions, and the cultures outside of jew culture, Babylon, Assyria, Greece, Rome, etc. Sol Invectus, Mithrists, and European peoples accepted Christianity with a mix of their own practices and religions. the jews literally stole the old testament from the Babylonians, the stole the entire pantheon, kept the one God, and admit this in the torah, while saying yes we did get this God from Babylon, but he gave his full name to us and we only can access him. The old testament also says people communing with the dead, any Paganism, Buddhism, Greek religions, was punishable by death. take your jewish propaganda and shove your old testament horseshit up your ass you fucking kike worshipping fuck. I will never turn my back on European peoples bc batshit american dipshits worship jews. Beyond this, the entire reality of Indo Aryan tribes is shockingly being rewritten, with blonde haired Egyption and ISRAELI mummies being found. Aryans spread throughout the world and started civilization, not the group of sniveling greedy awful fucking kikes that infest the middle east now. A pox on all of you for your willingness to destroy Europe, you evil greedy kike fuck. Die.

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iDinduNuffin -1 points ago +2 / -3

Christianity is a foreign, faceless religion that shapeshifted to gain acceptance by local cultures, yes.

Look at all the mental gymnastics you put yourself through.

Fuck the Torah... but wait the jews stole the Torah from Babylon! The jews say so themselves.... in the Torah! Also my blessed Yeshua is truly the Messiah... If you don't believe me, look at all these prophecies that were fulfilled.... from the Torah! My blessed Yeshua said that anyone who follows him is the son and heir of (((Abraham))). You know, the guy from the Torah! He was a White guy, by the way, did you know that? Yeah, they found blonde mummies. So that means I'm not following a jewish religion.

Aryans spread throughout the world and started civilization

Why do you larp as Christian when you obviously want to be national socialist?

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inb4civilwar 2 points ago +2 / -0

My religion is better interpreted with a swastika, a symbol from Japan to Germany, and the symbol of Indo Aryan German nobility moving into what is now England.

I think Europeans have always been at war with jews and it will never end, they repulse me.

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Afks 7 points ago +7 / -0

Haven’t heard of the Havamal before so thank you for the recommend, fren

All of those things sound great; I will check it out

❤️

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The_Gay_Deceiver 6 points ago +7 / -1

The reason Asatru appeals to me while Christianity does not, though, is that our book of teachings goes on to give advice that will actually make white men a force in the world— it has teachings more in line with ConPro. It teaches you to go armed. It teaches you to own land and pass it to your children. It teaches you to forge strong connections with friends. It teaches you not to become fat and drunk. It teaches you to be suspicious of the motives of women, but also that raising a family is the most important thing.

Christianity is like that too it's just modern cucks have been cucking out too much. If Paganism was actually practiced and dominant they'd tear at you instead, resulting in similar cucked interpretations.

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Pelides 1 point ago +7 / -6

As respectfully as possible, Christianity is not like that. It does not teach you to go and succeed for yourself. It teaches you to put your trust in God— that he will punish your enemies for you and provide for you, that he will save you for your faith in Jesus. The New Covenant tells you that what’s in your heart is more important than your works.

I want to ask you a question, and I really want you to do your best to answer it in a vacuum— no baggage from your own religious beliefs: would you rather live in a world where white men believed they earned their happy afterlife through faith, or would you rather live in a world where white men believed they earned their happy afterlife through courage in battle? Because even if I were not religious, I know which one of those options I think would make a better world.

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SugarlessGrub5 6 points ago +6 / -0

James 2:14-20 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? [15] If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, [16] And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? [17] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. [18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. [19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. [20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

2 Thessalonians 3:10-13 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. [11] For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. [12] Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread. [13] But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.

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Pelides 6 points ago +6 / -0

That James quote is one that I have never seen, and goes a long way toward addressing my “no works” concern. Thank you for that.

I still need to see where Christian teaching tells you to kill your enemies, rather than just be willing to be killed by them, though. I’ve seen plenty of Christian teaching that tells you to be willing to be persecuted and even lose your life to stand up for what you believe, but that’s not enough to be a winning strategy.

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Pelides 2 points ago +2 / -0

Can you find me anywhere Jesus taught that violence is the answer? I know the ‘whip’ story gets brought up here, but that’s not something he ever taught others to do, to my knowledge. He did not tell his disciples to fashion whips and drive the money changers from temples.

Any honest adult knows that force is what has solved problems since the dawn of mankind. A religion that teaches its followers to avoid this only blinds them

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The_Gay_Deceiver 5 points ago +6 / -1

You're viewing Christianity too simply. Yes, we've run into a bit of a problem with the peacefulness of Christians now that we've arrived at a point that the general person lives rather wealthily and peacefully compared to what we had even just a hundred years ago. If there's no overt threat Christians opt to just do their own thing, and they're tolerant of intrusive and not overtly threatening elements because they implicitly think everyone can ultimately be saved (even if they can't proselytize in a given scenario).

What you're getting wrong is that Christians can weaponize in the right circumstances, it's just not something they seek. What do you think happened to the Pagans, for example? So to answer your question, I would in fact prefer the former. In truth, I definitely don't understand Paganism nearly to the extent you do, but if you're saying that it's a religion that necessitates war and domination to validate itself, that honestly sounds a little bit like Islam. The Christian approach is to convert, not to dominate. That's why its susceptible to exploitation through subversive but relatively peaceful means, but as long as they don't cuck they'll ultimately have a line in the sand.

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iDinduNuffin 4 points ago +5 / -1

The Christian line in the sand doesn't involve race, or even physical conflict, which means it's ultimately doomed to failure no matter how much subversion it's suffering.

The approach must not be to convert or to dominate. It must be to survive.

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jsother1 3 points ago +4 / -1

So survival here on this earth for 70-80 years is your end goal?

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iDinduNuffin 4 points ago +5 / -1

What Pelides said. Racial survival.

I'm here for my race, for my children and their children, in this world. You're here to win "eternal life" for yourself in some other world you've never seen.

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Pelides 4 points ago +4 / -0

Survival of a people, not saving one’s own life

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TheDetached 5 points ago +5 / -0

Yeah he definitely carried the stench of a larper who wanted to replace Christianity with anything to prevent the cucking of euros and the virtue signaling/pathological empathy for foreigners. I'll check out the books.

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Pelides 4 points ago +4 / -0

anything to prevent the cucking of euros and the virtue signaling/pathological empathy for foreigners.

Does anyone not want this?

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TheDetached 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah I do. But like the guy assumed that Christianity automatically leads to being cucked which wasn't the case in Ireland my homeland. They became cucked when they followed the Cali/New York model which requires to reject God's laws (they did so around 2012). If the guy (shill) thinks paganism can save the white race, then so be it. But at least I would expect him to do his homework and show me the elements that oppose cucked mentalities. He simply wanted a quick alternative.

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Pelides 3 points ago +3 / -0

Ah ok I see what you’re saying now. He knew something needed to change but didn’t have the knowledge to justify the changes he was advocating.

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HingusTheBungus 5 points ago +6 / -1

I may not be pagan, but that legitimately sounds interesting. I always saw things the Beowulf way anyways. God and dying in glory.

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Pelides 6 points ago +6 / -0

I think that’s innate to men of European heritage. We want lives of strength and honor, and the righteous defeat of our foes. I find it strange that we’ve had 2000 years of trying to shoehorn that perspective into a religion that says the meek will inherit the earth. Crusaders were honorable men— they just couldn’t admit at that point in time that they were fighting for their civilization, not for Jesus.

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HingusTheBungus 6 points ago +6 / -0

It makes me wonder: was "The meek will inherit the Earth" a threat?

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Pelides 5 points ago +5 / -0

Speaking of the Beowulf way, if you ever feel the desire to participate in the ritual that happens in Beowulf when he arrives at the mead-hall, with the drinks and the ancestor veneration and the oaths, lots of pagan groups still do that. It’s called a Symbel (or sombol) and it’s a fantastic way to form a community of men.

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KarenKarenKaren 2 points ago +2 / -0

Consoom oral tradition?

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Takkune 2 points ago +2 / -0

Since I don't really talk about this often but I'd like to engage people on my personal belief:

I believe the universe is "god" and that we are the universe experiencing itself. There are no rules (except the laws of physics, chemistry, etc) but "treat others as you would like to be treated" is still a good practice to follow as other people are just yourself living another life if that makes sense. This applies to all natural things.

What do you think about an answer like that?

Not knocking on Christianity at all, this belief is just what makes the most logical sense to me.

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serengetidesert1973 14 points ago +17 / -3

The anti-christian argument is purely an emotional one.

They either feel Christians are some obstacle to getting laid and having fun, feel left out because they're too far gone in leftist ideas and have no soul, or they feel Christians are pussies and feel vulnerable and outnumbered in the melting pot.

If we were honest with each other we could have a brotherhood tomorrow.

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iDinduNuffin 6 points ago +10 / -4

Then be honest.

Was Christianity created by Whites?

Does Christianity prioritize or even endorse racial struggle?

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serengetidesert1973 6 points ago +7 / -1

No but you could make argument the church was formally established by whites.

No it does not. You could also make the argument that multiculturalism was first brought to us by heretical denominations and atheists later on. Racial struggle is a worldly concern not a spiritual one.

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iDinduNuffin 8 points ago +9 / -1

Who was Christianity created by?

Does it matter if the White race goes extinct?

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fourleaved 10 points ago +13 / -3

Christianity was created by God

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iDinduNuffin 6 points ago +7 / -1

Who were the first Christians?

Does it matter if the White race goes extinct?

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jsother1 1 point ago +3 / -2

Do you believe in any sort of afterlife?

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iDinduNuffin 5 points ago +6 / -1

No, except through my descendants.

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iDinduNuffin -2 points ago +2 / -4

The first Christians were jews. That's the answer.

Also if you actually believe in God as the Alpha and Omega, then Talmudism, Islam, Hinduism, human sacrificing Aztec deities and every other religion in existence was created by God.

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OrthodoxonlyKingsand 1 point ago +1 / -0

Aren't the others ones made by demons though?

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Who made the "demons"?

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serengetidesert1973 5 points ago +5 / -0

Son of God and the twelve apostles who spread and died for his message who were Jews. It's not a secret. The jews were rebuked by Christ. See what happened when they tried to rebuild the Third Temple under Julian.

Does it matter if white race goes instinct is a nihilistic question. Does it matter if you die? It matters to me and it matters to God because we're his children and the bible constantly references ethnicity and collectives so I could only infer God does see race as well. I have no idea if it matters in some abstract sense.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Was the rebuke towards the jews who rejected him, or the race of jews, including his followers and the ones in diaspora around Rome and everywhere else?

Does it matter if white race goes instinct is a nihilistic question.

What's the brotherhood you imagined we could have? It matters to me if I die because that's how my race advances. The death of individuals, transitioning to newer generations.

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serengetidesert1973 2 points ago +2 / -0

The ones who rejected. By the nature of the events that transpired you could only thereafter be a jew if you reject him.

Not sure why you're inferring I'm colorblind. White men can't come together because they feel their self-determination and individuality would be stifled unless they're in perfect agreement and this comes from the idea we all are different and have different goals. At least that's the explanation I like.

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iDinduNuffin 2 points ago +2 / -0

By the nature of the events that transpired you could only thereafter be a jew if you reject him.

Something transpired that altered their racial, jewish DNA?

Not sure why you're inferring I'm colorblind.

You need to do more than see. My goal is the survival and prosperity of the White race, beginning with its complete separation from any and all jewish influence. What would our brotherhood look like?

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TheDetached 2 points ago +2 / -0

Implemented by Hebrews who truly saw Jesus for what he was and had the guts to turn their backs on the degenerate pharisees of Babylon who had as much power as the vatican back in that era. Being banished from the synagogues and the country and losing your place in the family cemetery was like a death sentence in those days, you have no one to rely on. They threw away everything just to follow Christ's teachings. They are forgotten by the modern Christians, the same ones who worship the porn Jews in the name of muh zionism.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Hebrews

So, jews? They believed that he was their meshiach that was prophesied by the Torah and they were brave enough to follow him at the cost of their lives.

What's your opinion of Islam having the same theme?

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TheDetached 1 point ago +1 / -0

Islam

Okay I know where you are going with this. Converting pagans to Christianity by the tip of your sword is thoroughly wrong. Not only do the converts not believe in the doctrine with their heart but as soon as they become the majority, the church goes through a transformation with pagan values, as we see with the catholic church that picked up elements such as making graved images. The Christianization of Europe by violence was retarded. Now that the church no longer practices violence, the people are freed from their fears and now God can see the people's hearts. They turned away as expected since it wasn't their ancestors will to convert.

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parodious 3 points ago +3 / -0

Pre-Islamic Levantines have caucasian features. Travel. You'll see blond people with blue and green eyes, especially in the Christian communities there.

Islam brought racemixing into the region.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +2 / -1

http://www.sanatatak.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Mehmet-Aksoy-759x500.jpg

Does "caucasian features" = White? Arabs aren't the race at question here, jews are. I can go anywhere in the US and find jews that look like this. If I look long enough I can find jews with full-on White features too. They're still jews.

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Sneak_King 1 point ago +1 / -0

Are Greeks and Italians White? If yes, then basically the whole Mediterranean is, including the Levant.

If no, then carry on.

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iDinduNuffin -1 points ago +1 / -2

including the Levant.

Including jews?

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parodious 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes they were white. They were not Scandinavians obviously but they were on the far end of the white spectrum, racially.

Even slightly darker areas like ancient Egypt had more in common with Europeans than anyone else as per DNA tests and the Levantines were less dark than that, and many still are today.

The point is simply that Western civilization took a lot from the Mediterranean region, as opposed to nonsense about how it all came from black people.

Christianity also acknowledges differences in tribe, not in terms of the opportunity to be saved, but in Earthly matters, such as with the Samaritans which is on the level of small territories not intermingling - and this is approved, even taken for granted. It is only said that it is admirable to rescue someone left for dead even if he is from another tribe, no more than that. The big breakthrough was saving someone in trouble and only idiots have conflated this with "no borders" race mixing bullshit. Jesus even called a Samaritan woman a dog, in a trolling fashion, even though she is saved in matters of faith; clearly in Earthly matters tribes are binding.

This means that if randos in the middle of Africa convert to Christianity, that's good for them but in no way should they come here or gain some kind of automatic entry into our tribe.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

There are Asians less dark than any of them. The hue of skin isn't the determining factor of race (you don't change race when you get a suntan), DNA is.

DNA shows even Ashkenazi jews who've been mingling with Whites for over a millennium are still a distinct race, even though some of them can be nearly indistinguishable at first glance. Native Levantines don't come close.

Christianity also acknowledges differences in tribe, not in terms of the opportunity to be saved, but in Earthly matters

What value does Christianity tell us to place on those Earthly matters?

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parodious 1 point ago +1 / -0

Those "less dark" Asians are yellow and not caucasian.

What value does Christianity tell us to place on those Earthly matters?

What we do on Earth determines our judgment. You're conflating "Earthly matters" with "Earthly pleasures" and materialism, which are to be shunned.

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Killroyomega 1 point ago +1 / -0

Jesus was white.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why was his real name "Yeshua"?

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caravanofdeath 8 points ago +12 / -4

There has been hundreds of years of criticism of christianity from the right, and it's foolish to ignore this or the fact that christianity is the direct ancestor of progressivism (via protestantism).

OP's image is a classic strawman argument made by christians that any criticism is coming from a "pagan" atheistic shill rather than the truth which is that christianity is highly off-putting to people searching for higher spiritual meaning since it has been so polluted by progressivism for so long.

I am certainly not an anti-christian but christians really do themselves no favours in dismissing any criticism as "cherry-picking" while only paying attention to the cherry-picked criticisms of atheists. I regard Orthodox christians as the truest major denomination of christianity. Catholicism's countless heretical alterations to the original christian message have been the basis of christianity's downfall.

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americathegr888 6 points ago +7 / -1

Exactly. I'm not anti-Christian but the problem with Christianity TODAY, NOW is that it not only isn't helping our people, it's actively fucking us over with pro-immigration, anti-White stances at every turn in almost every church in our nations.

Would it be great if that wasn't the case? Sure. But it is. Is it feasible to take on reforming the entire fucking church along with every other problem? Not in the slightest.

Not to mention that a lot of people on HERE even are Christian-First Race-Last, meaning they'd rather stand together with a subhuman nigger or kike as long as they claim they are Christian than a White man who says he isn't.

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fourleaved 4 points ago +5 / -1

John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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PurestEvil 3 points ago +4 / -1

It is true. One core idea within the Marxist thinking is that all our roots (def: racial, national, cultural identity, language, religion, history) are contributing to conflict in the world. These values "clash" together with those of others, causing reason for conflict and war.

And to some degree, as history has shown us, this is not entirely wrong. Funnily enough, the left is all about creating division by creating their own collectives that rival and oppose each other. They invented ridiculous "genders", fuel racial conflict, invade our countries with the 3rd world, pushed faggotry of all sorts, including trannies. Then they claim to seek to harmonize (LGBT) all their made up groups one can subscribe to by doing things, without being it.


Another core idea is that the belief in fictional things is contributing to irrationality. This is funny, given how the left is riddled with falsehoods and irrational beliefs like egalitarianism or opposing the realities of race & IQ. It appears materialism fails to provide a foundation for rationality.

What I always believed is that most people need some belief system to function. Like a belief slot that needs to be filled. If it's not a religion, it's an ideology, or some bullshit like "Karma." Maybe even something like worshipping the planet like a deity ("mother nature"), and pushing hippie approved authoritarian stuff that can be covered as libertarian (without being).


I for one lack that slot. I simply do not have it. I believe in nothing - I see the world in numbers - I see chances, outcomes, uncertainty - I see advantages and disadvantages. I do not condemn people who have it, nor do I look down upon them. I think my life would be better if I either had it from the beginning (and not filled with Marxist garbage), or if I were a psychopath seeking his own benefit at other people's costs (I have a strong sense of righteousness and morality). But I am genuinely incapable to develop such a slot. I don't know how to call it even... I don't think nihilist fits either. They have their own belief system - ironically.

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Leonerland 3 points ago +3 / -0

gay meme flag

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ModsBanPaleos 3 points ago +4 / -1

John 15:18

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AutisticShoeshineBoy 3 points ago +4 / -1

Consume the Bible

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FloorGypsy 3 points ago +3 / -0

Comments section proves this post right

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assttaskmanager 2 points ago +2 / -0

It's been an increasing problem, too. I came here from Voat which was rife with anti-Christian shills, and it was a breath of fresh air to not have to deal with them nearly as much. Now it's becoming as bad as Voat again.

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iDinduNuffin -1 points ago +1 / -2

"I want to be able to spread my beliefs in other communities and try to convert people without them pushing back"

Did you know there's a board here that's just for Christians? c/Christianity

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iDinduNuffin 0 points ago +1 / -1

clear alternative worldviews from multiple people in the form of national socialism or folk paganism

Christians sneedvote it and carry on like they never saw it

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iDontShift 2 points ago +12 / -10

God is inside you, Christ means the 'awakened one'

if you are NOT striving to be like Jesus, then you are missing his message

all these things I do, you can do

doesn't sound like he made himself out to be so special.. but someone did

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fourleaved 18 points ago +18 / -0

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Sounds pretty special. And Khristos (Christ) means Messiah, which is "anointed one" not "awakened one"

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serengetidesert1973 10 points ago +11 / -1

One of the main reasons the kikes rejected the messiah and continued to is because they weren't "impressed", he didnt satisfy their "expectations". Something to think about when people try to spin Christ into whatever they want.

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antiniggerthesis 6 points ago +6 / -0

But what were their expectations? They wanted another David who would wipe out the romans through war. It was a narrow band of expectations. They weren’t watching for the Messiah they were wishing for liberation.

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HingusTheBungus 3 points ago +3 / -0

They basically wanted their messiah to tell them what they want to hear. Jesus didn't do this.

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iDontShift 1 point ago +2 / -1

cross that with the previous message, and you discover that perhaps the editing by politicians at the council of nicea did in fact change things from 'jesus is a man' to 'jesus is son of God'

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fourleaved 2 points ago +2 / -0

The First Council of Nicaea set out to determine if Jesus was created out of nothing or begotten by the Father from his own being, essentially whether he had a beginning or not. Whether Jesus was the son of God was never in question.

If Jesus is not the son of God, then

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

does not apply and we have no hope for salvation. This is not what the Bible teaches.

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iDontShift 1 point ago +4 / -3

the question was,

was jesus a man

or

was jesus son of God

all things in the bible were then rewritten or only adopted based upon them complying with this decision

the gospel of thomas for example appears to be real, and yet was remove .. and I find it infinity more interesting and easy to understand and apply to my life

but you, like this current covidiots scamdemic, are accepting the official story without consulting beyond what you are given as canon

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fourleaved 3 points ago +3 / -0

The canon of the Bible was not touched in relation to the First Council of Nicaea, and whether Jesus was the son of God was not in question. Whether you find a text interesting or easy to understand does not make it the word of God. This downplaying of Jesus and potential self-idolatry is unbiblical and maybe dangerous.

I hope at the very least this will prompt you into reading your Bible more carefully and truly understanding and appreciating it's words and it's meaning, and eventually accepting Jesus, the son of God, as your Lord of saviour.

God bless

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iDontShift 1 point ago +4 / -3

so now the government of Rome didn't force their decisions at the council of nicaea on the churches .

revisionism continues!

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fourleaved 3 points ago +4 / -1

You can debate whether Rome influenced the voting at Nicaea, but nothing the Bishops or church authorities voted on at the council pertained to whether Jesus is or is not the son of God. That FACT was not up for debate. The canon of the Bible had all but been completed. So unless you can drum up some lost New Testament Antilegomena that explains how Jesus is not the son of God, your unbiblical claims are not appreciated

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Barndoorbanjo 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not possible with the amount of texts that predate nicea and confirm the gospels remained intact.

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iDontShift 2 points ago +3 / -1

the amount of texts that have been removed also remain intact

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Barndoorbanjo 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nothing has been removed that was in the original texts.

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iDontShift 1 point ago +1 / -0

nothing added or removed .. says you

thanks for that laugh. i love life

you don't even exist, nothing does

yet you think this is concrete

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Barndoorbanjo 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is a historical point that even secular historians do not deny. No historic document has ever had more evidence of its authenticity than the Bible. There are thousands of scripts that all mirror each other almost perfectly. Any diversions from these majorities have been excluded. Of course this is a rational means by which to acquiesce whether or not a historical text has been corrupted. No ancient historical document has ever had more evidence of its purity than the Bible. Your ignorance to this is only an embarrassment to yourself.

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PepesCovfefe 2 points ago +2 / -0

I don’t know why people reject this.

Is it because it’s easily to adopt the line of “he came here to die for sins” so that they personally don’t have to do anything or improve themselves?

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iDontShift 3 points ago +3 / -0

mainstream Christianity seems little concerned about your mental state, which i find predominates all actions.

meditation, contemplation.. create space between you and your emotions .. it is here that you stop being reactionary.

i think this has been replaced with just come to church and give us your money and you will be saved.

no, you must save yourself by learning the truth of what you are

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iDontShift 1 point ago +1 / -0

seems a bit like Visistha's Yoga

but that is a 776 page book.. in an edited translation

i am enjoying the stories.

here is what it looks like

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284245197742?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=284245197742&targetid=4580496732614417&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=418233788&mkgroupid=1230353745471221&rlsatarget=pla-4580496732614417&abcId=9300542&merchantid=51291&msclkid=edc6a211283f1f707ec2c377c732eed7

so while I wouldn't mind reading about this, my mind is consumed with taking this in right now.

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PepesCovfefe 0 points ago +0 / -0

Thanks I’ll check it out. I plan on reading the Exegesis of PKD next - also about 1000 pages. Have you heard of it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exegesis_of_Philip_K._Dick?wprov=sfti1

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iDontShift 1 point ago +1 / -0

interesting. have heard of him, never looked into him tho

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ModsBanPaleos 10 points ago +10 / -0

He came to die for our sins. Period.

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EvanGRogers 5 points ago +5 / -0

He came, gave us an image of God, explained God to us, then voluntarily died, descended to Hell, trampled death by death, took His life back up, revealed Himself yet again, baptised His followers, then ascended back to Heaven.

Now, as the Lamb with a mortal wound, we await His opening of the seals.

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Side-o-Beef_Curtains 10 points ago +10 / -0

The modern Jewish religion hadn't even been invented when Christ was alive. The Talmud was written after, and parts were in direct response to Christ. Torah and messianic Jews aren't the real problem. Unfortunately there aren't many of them.

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iDinduNuffin 3 points ago +4 / -1

All jews are the real problem because they are the racial enemy of Whites regardless of their personal religion.

The Torah is equally as jew-supremacist as the Talmud anyway, the Talmud is just a lot more honest about how demented they are because it was supposed to be their own little "record", vs the Torah being more of a public proclamation.

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Afks 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yep

And if that wasn’t enough then show me ONE Torah/messianic Jew who denounces the Talmudic Jew beliefs

Their place of worship is called a synagogue

Are we even kidding with questioning their motives

Maybe another thousand years of hating Christ and we will finally understand that they will never change

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iDinduNuffin 2 points ago +2 / -0

of hating Whites*

We've got maybe another couple of decades to get it through our heads, as things stand. After that, extinction.

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KingSweyn 1 point ago +1 / -0

The talmud was written after but the oral tradition existed before. The Pharisees and Sadducees were doing "kosher cheating", like working on the Sabbath while feigning that they weren't... arguing why it doesn't count. So the jewish tradition of being sneaky as hell, captured in the talmud, was alive long before Jeaus was born.

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WhatWouldMountainDew 2 points ago +2 / -0

Whenever you deal with an anti-theist they always use a sort of intellectual sleight of hand where they are very atheist when attacking you but become very agnostic when defending what they actually believe.

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je08 1 point ago +1 / -0

Atheist and agnostic aren't mutually exclusive. One can say "I don't believe the claim there is a god or gods" and also "I don't know for sure"

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WhatWouldMountainDew 2 points ago +2 / -0

"I don't believe the claim there is a god or gods"..."I don't know for sure"

You're essentially describing the agnostic position twice. When atheists attach Christianity, they don't come at it with a "I don't believe [there is a God]" point of view, they come at it with a "I believe [there is no God]" point of view.

Agnostic= NOT believing a positive Atheist= believing a NEGATIVE

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je08 1 point ago +1 / -0

Incorrect.

A theist is a person who has a belief in a god or gods.

the a- prefix means "not" so an atheist is not-theist. They don't believe the claim, but that doesn't mean they believe the opposite claim.

If you say "I claim that there is a god, do you believe too?" and I say "No, I don't believe your claim" that makes me an "agnostic atheist". If I say "No, and I believe the opposite to be true" that makes me a "gnostic atheist"

The vast majority of atheists are agnostic atheists, they don't accept the god claim, but that doesn't mean they accept the no god claim.

Agnostic and Gnostic are qualifiers for your level of knowledge, from the root word "gnostikos" meaning "to know"

There's no such thing as "an agnostic," you're either an agnostic theist, or an agnostic atheist, because you have to be a theist, or not, there's no other options.

If you're a golfer, and I'm not a golfer, that doesn't mean that I play tennis, it just means I don't play golf.

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WhatWouldMountainDew 1 point ago +1 / -0

Ok, I'll restate my comment using your terms:

Whenever you deal with an (a)gnostic atheist they always use a sort of intellectual sleight of hand where they are very gnostic atheistic when attacking you but become very agnostic atheistic when defending what they actually believe.

The problem is that as soon as a self-identified "agnostic atheist" goes outside of criticizing the knowability of theism and starts criticizing theism itself they become functional gnostic atheists. If they were really agnostic atheists, the limitation of their argument would be "we can't know for sure".

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je08 1 point ago +1 / -0

I think you're misinterpreting what they're doing when they're arguing against your claim

If they say "Why do you believe that?" and you give reasons that they don't find compelling, and they attack you for having what they think are bad reasons, that doesn't mean they're asserting that there isn't a god. They're asserting that your reasons are flawed to them, BECAUSE they believe that people don't or can't know. They're still agnostic atheists because they're arguing that your claim is not true, not that the opposite of your claim is true.

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WhatWouldMountainDew 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yes in that case, where the debate is limited to the knowability of God's existence the person opposing the theist, isn't required to be a gnostic atheist. However, not all atheists limit their assertions to the knowability of God's existence and will positively state there is no God because of [insert event, paradox, or moral standard here].

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iDinduNuffin -2 points ago +2 / -4

Whenever you deal with a Christian they always use a sort of theological sleight of hand where they are very passionate and instructive when attacking you but become very "God works in mysterious ways" when defending what they actually believe"

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WhatWouldMountainDew 2 points ago +2 / -0

A Christian saying some things are clear and some things are unclear in the details of Christianity is not at all inconsistent with what they claim to believe. Christianity is based off of faith in God as He has revealed Himself in the Bible and is distinctly "pre-modern" in that it does not use human reason as the ultimate judge of truth.

Atheism on the other hand is distinctly modernistic because human reason and science are the ultimate determiners of truth. The problem is that if atheists would strictly adhere to what can be determined by science and reason, they would have nothing to say about religion/faith/metaphysics because all those things (currently) reside outside of the realm of science.

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iDinduNuffin 0 points ago +1 / -1

It's inconsistent with your most important claim: that you're right and the rest of us are wrong. If you didn't make that claim, and if you kept your beliefs where you admit they reside (outside the realm of science and reason), then there wouldn't be an issue. But you don't. You impose on science and reason, you guide people's action, and you use the veracity of your book to justify it.

Also if reason and science are the ultimate determiners of truth for atheists then where's the sleight of hand you were claiming? They can attack your beliefs just on the basis of being "unscientific", without having to field counter beliefs. It's unproductive and ultimately pointless, sure, but we already know that about atheists.

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WhatWouldMountainDew 2 points ago +2 / -0

God is infinite and beyond human comprehension. That's fundamental to Christianity so saying there's mystery and some things are unknowable has no bearing on saying other things are right or wrong.

If everything in life could be condensed to fall under science and reason then you might have a point. The problem with that is that there are a lot of things that fall outside of science and reason.

Take morality for instance. I don't deny that there are moral Atheists, but they are not moral because of their atheism, and the morality they do have is arbitrary.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

What's your counterargument here? My point was that Christians, just like those atheists, act like they have all the answers when it comes to other beliefs, but when it comes to justifying their own it's suddenly a big mystery and they don't need to.

Your reply is "Yeah, that's by design"?

The problem with that is that there are a lot of things that fall outside of science and reason.

Take morality for instance. I don't deny that there are moral Atheists, but they are not moral because of their atheism, and the morality they do have is arbitrary.

And your morality isn't arbitrary because you claim it it comes from God? Even though you only learned that from books (written by jews) and, just like everyone else, have no means of verifying it beyond appealing to human reason? I don't see much of a difference there.

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WhatWouldMountainDew 1 point ago +1 / -0

Relying solely on science and reason are limiting factors in an atheists understanding of creation.

Everything, both metaphysical and physical are subject to God because He created it but only the physical can be subjected to science and reason. Through rational deduction and observing nature we can deduce there is a God but we can't know any details about Him that He hasn't revealed through His word.

Saying that theistic moral standards based off of a text are just as arbitrary as the moral standards held by atheists is very disingenuous. Where do atheists get their morality from? Who has written an atheistic moral code or devised a rational standard of morality outside of a dictate?

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Is atheists' understanding of creation related to how they engage in debate?

Most of them don't believe in a creation anyway.

Through rational deduction and observing nature

aka reason and science

but we can't know any details about Him that He hasn't revealed through His word.

"His word", in the form of...... ?

Saying that theistic moral standards based off of a text are just as arbitrary as the moral standards held by atheists is very disingenuous.

What are they based off of then?

Would just "writing it down" suddenly make the atheist standards less arbitrary?

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marvinthehaggler 2 points ago +2 / -0

This is EXACTLY what I think.

They are Death Eaters. Destroyers.

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Flarisu 2 points ago +2 / -0

I'm still an Athiest, but when I was young, I was a preachy mother fucker and asked a lot of questions about it. Fact of the matter was I couldn't understand the idea of believing in something that defied my concept of logic.

As I got older, I stayed an Athiest, fundamentally, I've had no religious background or no religious community, but I understand the basis of morality behind religion and generally pay Christianity respect unlike when I was young.

This post is wrong, when I was furiously preaching about Atheism at a young age it was because I was curious and wanted to understand the truth of the universe, and was frustrated people believed in a thing they couldn't prove the existence of. I wasn't trying to stop people from believing in it, I was looking for something to believe, something I could believe in, in a framework of empiricism. While I didn't find that in religion, I did find that in Ethics, and that formed my moralistic framework as I got older (and less insufferable).

If I had a religious community and grew up in one, I would likely have fallen in line with it. It's a community that makes religion important as a moralistic basis, not the specific gods, beliefs, anathema or tenets.

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Remantro 1 point ago +2 / -1

Gay as hell. Go suck nigger dick, your life is meaningless.

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Equity1984 2 points ago +2 / -0

To be fair, I've had conversations a hand full of preachy Christians and had the same NPC type conversation as with those from the radical left. That's not to say most Christians are this way, but rather there's a small handful that are just as loony.

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bookmobile0 1 point ago +1 / -0

Or maybe you conflate Americans who reject abusive cults as anti-christian?

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +6 / -5

Not based, delusional. Or just lying and he's never had a discussion with anti-Christians, just people trolling him with "kike on a stick".

The pro-White conflict with Christianity always boils down to ideology and identity. I tell you exactly what I want and what I believe. I want you to stop pretending to be Christian if you're just a trad/crusade-LARPer who thinks it's a counter to degeneracy and parrots "based" passages you don't understand because you got them from memes with no context (90% of this board). Or if you're genuinely into it, i.e. you've actually read the bible at least, then I want you to stop trying to corrupt other Whites.

I want you to be national socialist and be invested and attached to this world, our lives and our race, instead of eschewing it for the promise of gaining "eternal life" for yourself in "God's kingdom". I want you to stop sanctifying jewish creation mythos, or I want you to stop embarrassing yourself with the mental gymnastics of pretending the Old Testament isn't the jewish Torah or that the first Christians weren't jews. I want you to sanctify your own race instead, your actual identity and actual heritage which stretches back hundreds of millennia before any jewish tribal gods were even conceived. I want you to stop attributing the success of Whites to their adoption of another race's religion and instead attribute it to our own innate genetic characteristics, and I want you to commit yourself to preserving and improving those.

I want you to stop believing that the God who created our world and wrote all the laws of nature was capable of making mistakes or was vindictive or would ever feel the need to "punish" or "forgive" or "save" his own creations from his own creations, and instead either honor the absolute God as an absolute or don't do it at all. I want you to stop appealing to other powers and believing in prophecies of apocalyptic doom, and instead focus on the fate you can see in front of us with your own eyes, racial extinction, and believe that we're the ones who have to save ourselves.

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blackpilledcanadian 2 points ago +2 / -0

I swear these guys think they are unique and counter culture by being the same religion as the majority of the western world they all also point out is going to shit.

Why are these retards even part of the dissident right if they are 100 percent certain they will spend eternity in heaven and their enemies in hell and that the fucking rapture is coming any second now? None of this shit matters apparently and they will win no matter what

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SkullPenny 1 point ago +2 / -1

Anyone seen Squid Game? Shit-ton of anti-Christian messaging in it. If you have to see it, pirate it and don't support Netflix at all.

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OrthodoxonlyKingsand 1 point ago +1 / -0

Really? Can you tell me some

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SkullPenny 2 points ago +2 / -0

Sure. No idea if communities supports spoiler-tagging, but minor spoilers follow:

  • One of the contestants is revealed to be Christian. When he wins a game, he attributes it to God. Luckily, one of the girls stands up to him, telling him it wasn't God, but people.
  • Later, this Christian kills another contestant, and again, thanks God, saying that God has provided. He is promptly and unceremoniously killed off after, highlighting what a buffoon he was.
  • This girl who stood up to the Christian earlier reveals her dad was a pastor, and he molested her and kill her mom.

Not a single positive Christian portrayal to be had anywhere. I figured that since Christianity is the dominant religion in Korea, there was a chance to avoid this kinda bullshit, but it was the standard Netflix tripe.

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OrthodoxonlyKingsand 1 point ago +1 / -0

Interesting thanks for telling me

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Mentok_The_Mindtaker 1 point ago +4 / -3

FYFY: All ((((((((((((((((((((they)))))))))))))))))))))) do is attack Christianity and Christians

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iDinduNuffin 2 points ago +7 / -5

Perfect example of a Christian sabotaging Whites by obfuscating the jewish war on WHITES.

If Christianity was actually their target then it would be where national socialism is today. Instead they're content just making a mockery of it, the same way they do everything else you care about, because they know it offers no real threat to them.

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Remantro 1 point ago +1 / -0

Many overlook this. Christianity was becoming progressive nonsense long before jews got their hands on it.

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HingusTheBungus 1 point ago +2 / -1

Okay maybe it's my inner sperg talking, but I hate the whole subculture of capitalizing pronouns when referring to God. It's fucking cringe worthy and homosexual. It comes off as larpy and is just annoying.

That being said, I believe most gaytheists are merely the puppets of Jews. Think about it. We've all seen atheists rant and rave and talk shit about Christianity, hell I've even seen some of those YouTube atheists from the earlier 2000's (folks like Darkmatter2525 and... I dunno actually) talk shit about Muslims. But never Jews. You never see them deboonk the Talmud. They never scoff at the idea of a bunch of rats seeing regular people as animals and never seem to be disgusted by the merchants wanting to have an age of consent of 3 years. They'll gladly rant about the Bible talking about slavery and beating women, but never the Jews thinking the gentiles should be the slaves and are animals. It's proof that Jews -and by extension, Satan- basically have them on a leash.

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iDinduNuffin 2 points ago +2 / -0

How often do Christians talk about actual jews, the race of jews, rather than focusing on the Talmudists and reinforcing the jewish lie that their identity's religious, not racial?

How often do you see anybody do it for that matter? Very few people know enough about it, and very few of those very few are willing to speak up.

There's no doubt a lot of the nihilistic atheists are doing their part to help jews sow chaos and degeneracy. There's also no doubt that it was Christians who harbored and enriched jews in Europe for a millennium and a half.

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je08 -1 points ago +1 / -2

Debunking Christianity is the same thing as debunking Judaism, since Christianity is just Judaism + new testament. I don't know of any atheists who disapprove of Christianity but approve of Judaism.

I have seen leftist atheists not criticizing Islam though, because their leftist "islamophobia" brainwashing overpowers their desire to criticize Islam. They don't want to be called an Islamophobe. Right wing atheists like me will criticize any religion that deserves it.

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HingusTheBungus 2 points ago +2 / -0

Atheists will easily say "eat the rich" and call you anti semen-tick in the same breath, they're midwitted NPCs to the fullest.

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je08 1 point ago +1 / -0

There are definitely a lot of dim atheists, there's not very many of us these days who are atheist as a result of research, deep philosophical thought, and logical reasoning rather than "religion bad so I'm atheist" or "religion says being a faggot makes me bad so i'm atheist now" or "religious people were mean to me so I hate religions"

A lot of it has been co-opted by LGBTQ and wokeness, like a lot of things have been, unfortunately.

I got banned from /r/atheism and /r/TrueAtheism for not being a leftist.

But there's definitely a number of us who aren't like that, we just aren't welcome/don't want to be in the leftist atheism circle. I'm hoping for c/Atheism soon for all the others like me.

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yeldarb1983 1 point ago +1 / -0

To be fair, some of it is personal bad experiences with "christians" who don't behave in a very christian fashion.

Not attacking Christians as a whole here, just saying every group has its bad actors, lol.

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Barian84 1 point ago +2 / -1

I simply don't speak to anyone after I learn they are non-Christian.

They, quite literally, have nothing of value to tell me.

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Formerlurker92 0 points ago +1 / -1

Consequentialist thinking says no matter how you get there, the ends justify the means.

This is why they have killed millions

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BatMitzvahAtEpsteins -1 points ago +3 / -4
  1. Pedophiles are bad

  2. Genital mutilation is bad

  3. The bible supports both

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Remantro -1 points ago +1 / -2

Being confused, conflicted, and hopeless is a good thing. Being stressed under the weight of heavy truths is preferable to flying free in clouds of ignorance. But once you realize that Heaven is not what you think it is, that God does not have your best interests in mind, it all soon falls into place. If you take the leap, you will soon find that it is Humanity that has the Power, not God. We are the Masters of the Universe. We are the Creators. We don't need to surrender our free will to some mysterious powerful entity for Salvation, Salvation is inside us. Look into your Soul.

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ItsOkayToBeWight -2 points ago +7 / -9

I care. Human solutions for human problems. There's no magical rapture that will save us from armageddon so we gotta roll up our sleeves and fix this shit before it gets worse.

Oh and there's no universalist shit. Stop tying to save the souls of niggers.

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el_hoovy 5 points ago +5 / -0

the trick is that God fully intends for us to use human solutions for human problems, that's why He made us humans on a human world and gave us the right to tread over scorpions and snakes. it's just that you have to know where humanity even came from rather than fall into the trap of believing that your intrinsic worth comes directly from the ego. it comes from God, through the ego He gave you, then finally to you, the eternal soul. every step there is equally important.

the only part of the Bible that spells out in clear words to sit down and take evil like a good little Christian is the one written by the guy who used to persecute and kill Christians. grains of salt abound.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Then Jesus said to His disciples, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it."

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ItsOkayToBeWight 0 points ago +1 / -1

And history is rife with priests fleecing their flock. And I don't mean financially. Our primitive lizard brains have difficulty understanding things like objective morality and cause and effect. "God's will" and "heaven" are coping mechanisms to hide the harsh reality that we live in. Christians, jews, muslims, hinduists, bhuddists, taoists all have their belief in god(s) and spirits. I'd rather put my faith in Zeus instead of a jewish god rewritten to suddenly be okay with "non-chosen".