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el_hoovy 2 points ago +5 / -3

fully agreed. stoicism might be useful for the bottom soulless 10% to embrace as a way to cope with their inability for spiritual thought, but as a baseline for functional humans with feelings it's pretty sub-par.

“Is your cucumber bitter? Throw it away. Are there briars in your path? Turn aside."

throw it away, care about it, breed sweeter cucumbers.

turn aside that day, care about it, return the next day with shears.

of course, stoicism came from a military campaigner, not a homemaker. perhaps he had no time to breed cucumbers and shear briars.

BasedMan000 4 points ago +4 / -0

Before talking about Stoicism you should actually try reading about it. The 3 core principles of Stoicism are for you to not wasted your time on unnecessary emotions, and thoughts that have you worried for the wrong reasons.

marvinthehaggler 2 points ago +2 / -0

For me "the breaking" was to view the emotions that rage as things I did not have to feel. To view them as somehow "external".

And once you click on that idea, you become a very dangerous person indeed. Dangerous... in a good way.

And then once you see it, you will see it everywhere. These are ideas of the Stoics, right? And now I will provide you the same idea from the Dhammapada, written long, long before. And I will leave it to those on this post to go find the exact same ideas in the works of Siddhartha, and Lao Tzu, and others.

Verse 33, of course. Because "it's always 33...." (Gematria).

"The mind is excitable and unsteady; it is difficult to control and to restrain. The wise one trains his mind to be upright as a fletcher straightens an arrow."

Now go and do likewise, gentlemen. Go and do likewise.

BasedMan000 2 points ago +2 / -0

It goes deeper than that still. For instance if you manage to get your hands on a pdf of "The Daily Stoicc", you'll find that Stoicism is like a further elaboration of all those things and you'll also notice some distinctions. But there definitely have been some pre-stoic teachings.