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The_Gay_Deceiver 65 points ago +65 / -0

noooo not my crippling depressionerinoooooo if I'm depressed nothings my fault nooooo

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FrancoReanimated 26 points ago +26 / -0

This is how a friend of mine thinks essentially. His life wasn't going well for him because he didn't know what he wants and because he was lazy, so he didn't do anything. That's why he wasn't happy. Simple. Every 20 IQ Grug can see that. But guess what, the moment he was officially diagnosed with dEpReEsSiOn, it all went much worse at lightspeed. You see, everyone who tells him to just get up and improve his situation doesn't understaaaaand him, it's just the way his brain workst, he can't do anything about that and blah blah. It truly hurts to watch a childhood friend rotting away, but he can't be reasoned with. Did he ever try to improve his situation? No, of course not, but he knows exactly that it won't work anyway, because dEpReSsIoN is a desease.

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Consumer9033 8 points ago +8 / -0

Many such cases :'(

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repptyle 7 points ago +7 / -0

The thing is, that type of thinking actually is the disease. It's self-manifesting and a mental trap you need to escape from. Like you said, all the enabling modern society does makes it worse.

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Budder_Apple 4 points ago +4 / -0

It really sucks. I have a friend in a similar situation. Our friend group keeps pushing for him to get a job, get his GED, or hell even just get a driver's license or get out of the house to hang out. Instead, he'll just sit on his pc playing destiny. We've been trying to help him for years now to no avail.

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FrancoReanimated 3 points ago +3 / -0

My friend doesn't even play video games anymore, because they're too "exhausting" for him. I tried to play Warzone with him because it has crossplay and it would be at least a way to remain contact, but he would rather watch YouTube videos instead or sleep. Before he was officially diagnosed with "depression", it was at least possible to meet him and do something together. I haven't seen him in over two months and I guarantee, during all this time, he didn't do anything besides sleeping and watching YouTube videos. Fuck (((psychologists))).

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crash7863 11 points ago +11 / -0

I've noticed that a lot of people in their 20's and 30's suddenly have "crippling depression".

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ChadRight92 10 points ago +10 / -0

because our society is getting worse. Less opportunities for young people, more foreigners all over the place, more crime, less purchasing power, cost of living going up, the news media and schools are jam packed with anti-white propaganda and division which is demoralizing for both whites and non-whites, of course people are getting more depressed.

Depression is real, but yeah if you go to a doctor all they're going to do is prescribe you some meds. You gotta claw your way out of it yourself. Talk to your male friends about it. talking to people about it will help because most people have had bad periods in life where they're down. Don't talk to your gf or women about it.

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christianknight 6 points ago +6 / -0

im deprooooooooosing

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TeaPahrTay 4 points ago +4 / -0

This guy is not deceiving.

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The_Gay_Deceiver 2 points ago +2 / -0

Only if you're a faggot.

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AnAngryPotato 36 points ago +36 / -0

Stopped taking antidepressants a year and a half ago and it was the first step to getting over my depression. That shit just makes you satisfied with a shitty life. Why take pills to make you feel better about your problems when you could actually solve them?

Plus even though they claim it's not addictive, coming down from them is a nightmare. Its withdrawal, but they don't treat it like withdrawal. Instead they insist it's proof that you need to stay on the pills. Maybe even increase the dose.

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panama_sucks 7 points ago +7 / -0

I'm just curious, anyone with experience may answer: how do antidepressants feel? does it kind of make you numb for pain? or does it give you some kind of dumb happiness? I just cant imagine it. Somewhere I read you feel okay with your life, but you dont feel like yourself anymore. So it would be some kind of mediocre trade? could you take them recreationally (not planning to), why or why not?

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repptyle 4 points ago +4 / -0

I have tried most of the major ones and they had zero effect on me. The only pills that have any effect are stuff like Xanax. Maybe it's the way I'm wired, who knows.

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AnAngryPotato 4 points ago +4 / -0

Like somebody below said, they're basically cope pills. They make you say "whatever." It's not like being drunk or high, It's more like "don't think about it" in pill form. Taking them recreationally probably won't do much for you.

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Crockett 4 points ago +4 / -0

It's not about what they make you feel, it's about what they make you not feel. For me, I had anguish about confronting my life. Work, social interaction, and generally engaging with life was stressful and miserable, even when I thought what I was doing things I should be doing. I had these miserable weeks, where dying in bed seemed preferable to even standing up. Pills took away that anguish. That felt like a good thing. It was easier to get up and keep on plugging away at the same old shit.

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marvinthehaggler 3 points ago +3 / -0

SSRIs are NAZI drugs. Globohomo drugs. They dissociate you from reality. As "AnAngryPotato" posted, they are "whatever" pills.

Do you want your life to be whatever.

Or do you want to embrace the scary idea. That your life could be really, really exceptional and you could mean something to this mud ball and the people around you.

Courage is holding on just a little bit longer.

You can do it because we all can do it. And that is what the people who tell you that you are small fear most. That you will be important.

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marvinthehaggler 2 points ago +2 / -0

“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few."

The Hard Way ... is the Only Way.

Maktub.

OK, "now Bible Guy is posting to me. Sigh". Yesbutno. I see a lot of wisdom in that book. And possibly a lot more. When the words are good, I use them. And if they come with Divine something something help, well now, I'll take all the help I can get.

SSRIs fuck your brain. You got off them. This is major. I have respect. Now what soaring you will do, is up to you. Life is short. But it can be most interesting and rewarding.

Let's go see.

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Crockett 2 points ago +2 / -0

That shit just makes you satisfied with a shitty life.

That's it exactly. I basically wasted 5 years of my twenties this way. I took meds, and sure, I felt better. That's why I didn't do anything to change my circumstances. I just kept wage slaving in a city I didn't like, and wishing I had a gf. But who needs fulfillment when you can just cope, right?

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samoan62 24 points ago +24 / -0

Just call depression gay lol

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TheWestYearZero 2 points ago +2 / -0

Depression is a fag.

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BigBeef 20 points ago +21 / -1

The Virgin (((antidepressants))) VS The Chad Bible

Only one can cure depression.

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sod_off_shotgun 19 points ago +28 / -9

Reject meds yes, embrace stocism no.

Give a shit. Get upset that something unpleasant happened and do something about it.

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marvinthehaggler 48 points ago +48 / -0

Unfortunately someone along the line made "stoic" a bad word in English.

I ask you to read Marcus Aurelius' "Meditations". It is a beautiful, pragmatic, positive message that helps one align with the world as it is, and then move forward and act.

"Get upset" just makes you easy to control. Get resolved makes you far more dangerous.

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marvinthehaggler 18 points ago +18 / -0

"When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love."

"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."

"Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."

Marcus owned the world. He could have descended into hedonism and depravity, as did his son and many others in his role. Instead, he became a true human. A real man.

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dutchgroyper 19 points ago +19 / -0

Stoicism does not equal cynicism.

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coomerparadise 15 points ago +15 / -0

You fundamentally misunderstand what stoicism is. Stoicism is not about ignoring bad things, or bottling up emotions or striving to be emotionless. It's about learning how to not be a slave of your emotions.

For the most part, we can't actually directly control our emotions. Contrary to this OP and the incorrect understandings of stoicism, you cannot just tell yourself "I choose to be happy" and then be happy. That's not how it works. You can't heal sadness and depression with pure willpower.

What you can do and what stoicism can help you with is understanding exactly what you are feeling and more importantly why you're feeling it. From this point you will come to understand that you are not your emotions and that you don't have to blindly act upon them. You can be sad without falling into a self-loathing spiral. You can be joyous but avoid becoming blind to issues and problems that still exist.

This clarity allows you not to be in control of your emotions, which is a fool's errand, but to be in control of your actions and choices.

So in a way, stoicism is the complete opposite of being unfeeling and ignoring your emotions. It actually puts you more in touch with them, allows for greater understanding. So that when you choose to act, you are acting on your will, not on the whims of emotion.

Also, doing what I described here is not something that can be accomplished in a year or two or five. To err is human and humans are also weak. Becoming stronger, becoming better, expanding your understanding of yourself is every man's life work and it only stops when you're dead.

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marvinthehaggler 1 point ago +1 / -0

"The View from Above".

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Tourgen 3 points ago +3 / -0

You do not understand the philosophy of stoicism. You can't even spell it right.

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el_hoovy 2 points ago +5 / -3

fully agreed. stoicism might be useful for the bottom soulless 10% to embrace as a way to cope with their inability for spiritual thought, but as a baseline for functional humans with feelings it's pretty sub-par.

“Is your cucumber bitter? Throw it away. Are there briars in your path? Turn aside."

throw it away, care about it, breed sweeter cucumbers.

turn aside that day, care about it, return the next day with shears.

of course, stoicism came from a military campaigner, not a homemaker. perhaps he had no time to breed cucumbers and shear briars.

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BasedMan000 4 points ago +4 / -0

Before talking about Stoicism you should actually try reading about it. The 3 core principles of Stoicism are for you to not wasted your time on unnecessary emotions, and thoughts that have you worried for the wrong reasons.

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marvinthehaggler 2 points ago +2 / -0

For me "the breaking" was to view the emotions that rage as things I did not have to feel. To view them as somehow "external".

And once you click on that idea, you become a very dangerous person indeed. Dangerous... in a good way.

And then once you see it, you will see it everywhere. These are ideas of the Stoics, right? And now I will provide you the same idea from the Dhammapada, written long, long before. And I will leave it to those on this post to go find the exact same ideas in the works of Siddhartha, and Lao Tzu, and others.

Verse 33, of course. Because "it's always 33...." (Gematria).

"The mind is excitable and unsteady; it is difficult to control and to restrain. The wise one trains his mind to be upright as a fletcher straightens an arrow."

Now go and do likewise, gentlemen. Go and do likewise.

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BasedMan000 2 points ago +2 / -0

It goes deeper than that still. For instance if you manage to get your hands on a pdf of "The Daily Stoicc", you'll find that Stoicism is like a further elaboration of all those things and you'll also notice some distinctions. But there definitely have been some pre-stoic teachings.

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marvinthehaggler 1 point ago +1 / -0

I do own that work. Not sure I understand what points you are making here, but I surely agree that Stoicism is in one sense "one thing" (a perspective) and in another sense many things: a view that informs every aspect of life and how to live it.

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BasedMan000 2 points ago +2 / -0

I was trying to imply that Stoicism goes deeper than what was said by all those other guys.

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marvinthehaggler 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree. It is a total world view.

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marvinthehaggler 3 points ago +3 / -0

It seems a true statement to say that some of those who wrote the Bible knew of Stoicism and had incorporated a lot of the views from it into their Biblical writings. It also appears that Thomas Aquinas knew these works well.

In "Think Like a Stoic", the author/narrator goes into this. I can recommend this work, although my primary recommendation remains to read Marcus' "Meditations". It is succinct and powerful.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08ZDTWSN7/

https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-New-Translation-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0812968255/

Or the former agreed translation:

https://www.amazon.com/Meditations-Penguin-Classics-Marcus-Aurelius/dp/0140449337/

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user01 14 points ago +14 / -0

less takey meds more makey threads

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MichelleObamasBulge 7 points ago +7 / -0

This was so beautiful I had to read it twice

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user01 7 points ago +7 / -0

Thank you for the kind words Michael’s bulge

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Rashid_Ibn_Yasir 12 points ago +12 / -0

based 4chan retard

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KirbyMorph 10 points ago +10 / -0

There are legitimate meds that help as some people. If you have legitimate mental health issues where receptors arent producing or absorbing dopamine, etc, no amount of self-help or philosophy is going to help you. The issue is the over diagnosing of mental health and the over prescription and self-medicating aspects. Major one is women taking the pill for 30 years and destroying their body chemistry so they can whore around with no consequences. This causes depression in majority of women (both the carefree sex pair bond destroying behavior and the chemical changes they are inducing) which then doctors prescribe anti-depressants for and you have people on multiple hormone and chemical altering drugs for decades that they should not be on.

People with self image induced depression that stems from poor diets, weight gain, social media addictions, and so on do not need drugs either. If they end up in full fledged depression, drugs may help them kickstart their chemistry and stabilize, but they do not need years of drugs when a simple diet and exercise regime would help them more than anything in the world. Simple, low cost programs for wellness like a bowling league or other group activities with similar people would be far more cost effective and helpful than drugs in these cases as human interaction, basic exercise, sunlight (vitamin d), and accomplishments, however minor, are more effective in rehabilitation and curing depression than drugs in most cases. It's not cost effective for big pharma though.

However, this still does not mean you should ignore all mental health prescribed drugs or associate it with crack pot Jewish psychology field of "medicine" that is on the level of healing crystals (only blue ones work, fucking quacks and their green and red ones). There are legitimate body chemistry issues that can induce longterm mental health issues. If your dog died and you are sad, you are not clincially depressed and do not need to take zoloft or other drugs for decades. If you work a job you hate and have no kids at 35 and are single, you do not need decades of drugs and happy pills. But there are people that have "perfect" lives and are miserable and constant fatigue and no obvious reason (abuse, etc) for being depressed that are due to chemical imbalances or receptors misfiring, etc. Dont misconstrue the tumblr and reddit and social media mental health crisis with actual mental health problems and dont associate it with television therapist psychology jewish bullshit either.

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panama_sucks 2 points ago +2 / -0

during my education I saw a man in his sixties visiting the psych ward and telling the doctor how reluctant he was to come because he was ashamed of his condition and fought the thought of needing help, but he couldnt live with his mental anguish anymore. depression is real, folks

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samoan62 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's a good point. One is a legitimate medical problem and one is a quick fix band aid that actually enables remaining in depression.

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KosherConservative 6 points ago +6 / -0

Remember, you're White. Depression is for trannies and fags.

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Celtiberian 5 points ago +5 / -0

A single dose of psychedelics has the power to cure addiction, depression, etc. It worked for me.

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repptyle 3 points ago +3 / -0

It made mine much, much worse so who knows

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ConsciousnessIsGod 3 points ago +3 / -0

Same, it was like opening Pandora's box for me. Happened like 2 years ago and my mind is still messed up

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HookersonBlow 2 points ago +2 / -0

People might scoff at you for that take, but I wont. I was a cocaine junky from 91 to 92. When I decided to quit, a friend of mine suggested dropping some acid. (C'mon bro. It Will totally take your mind off of Coke.)

And it did. I developed a disgust for acocsine and all its trappings. I burned bridges with all my old coke friends. The guy that I did the acid with didnt do coke or any of the hard drunks. He was a mild pothead and would do acid occasionally. I did it a couple more times with him for shits and giggles, and havent looked back since. That was almost 30 years ago.

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panama_sucks 0 points ago +1 / -1

coke is nice though

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HookersonBlow 1 point ago +1 / -0

I disagree.

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Trumpire_Masquerade 5 points ago +5 / -0

Happened to me too. I remember telling my "depressed" mother about it, she starts listing off all the meds she takes and how they might help me. Think to myself, "Fuck that." Just decided to not be depressed. Grab the wheel of your meat vehicle, folks. This is low-tier willpower stuff. We are capable of even more.

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jtpg3 4 points ago +4 / -0

based anon just refuses to be a 14 year old twitter girl

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chainsawninja 4 points ago +4 / -0

“Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy then gives them the drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction It is already happening to some extent in our own society. Instead of removing the conditions that make people depressed modern society gives them antidepressant drugs. In effect antidepressants are a means of modifying an individual's internal state in such a way as to enable him to tolerate social conditions that he would otherwise find intolerable.”

-Theodore John Kazcynski

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HookersonBlow 4 points ago +4 / -0

This is absolutely true. Most of my life I "suffered from depression". I think that a lot of the common neurosis we see today is the result of programming malfunctions.

I drifted through my life with an nagging feeling in the back of my head that something wasn't right. I coukd feel it on a visceral level, but couldnt identify it. It wasnt until my 40s that I figured it out. I think things like depression, anxiety disorders, ADHD, OCD, are either caused or exacerbated by a subconscious rejection of social engineering.

Teenage angst, "oppositional defiant disorder", generational rebellion, I think are a rejection of the manufactured social condition known as (((adolescence))). (https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/articles/199501/the-invention-adolescence)

The (((progressive))) infantilization of society, encroachment on parenting by the state, and diluted rites of passage, have created an environment that makes mass mental illness inevitable. Add in the dopamine hit that comes from social validation from mental illness, and you've got yourself,a shit storm. But don't worry. We have a pill for that.

After understanding the mechanisms behind what I was feeling, I made the slow journey out of the cave, and now enjoy my time in the sun.

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cholulaking 2 points ago +2 / -0

Is that a George Kirby pepe? Hahahahaa

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HingusTheBungus 2 points ago +2 / -0

Huh. Is that why I've never ever been SAD? I've always just felt deathly bored.

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Dale_Gribble 2 points ago +2 / -0

thats what i did one day. I was all sad like " booo hooo child abuse and lies" and then i was like. Eh nvm dont got time for being sad and i gotta be ready to protect my brother.

I ended up being able to help others. Totally worth it.

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cholulaking 2 points ago +2 / -0

I used to be a case manager for disabled adults. My intention was to get my clients off of all the psych meds and restriction plans that were essentially alternative ways of managing anybody that would have alternatively been institutionalized. I was met with so much resistance. I believe the behavior issues were mostly due to conflict with staff, and low quality staff; but they are doping people up on ambien and all kinds of drugs, and it leads to worse behaviors and more medication.

My current girlfriend was on antidepressants when we first started dating, and with this mentality, I spent a lot of time encouraging her to get off of them. She was resistance to get off of them, like many people are. But when she finally got off of them, she became the best version of herself; extremely naturally beautiful, happy, and ambitious. She started her own business and turned her life around. I never understood why people get on these meds to begin with. I don't trust psych meds at all. I just think people don't take good care of themselves, and modern society is not good for mental health.

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honeymussie 1 point ago +1 / -0

I've actually been reading about MTHFR gene mutations lately and it turns out they're very common and can be the root of some people's mental illness and autism symptoms, among other physical problems. Getting the right diet and vitamins can make a world of difference in these people since they have trouble with folic acid and all our garbage carb filled food is fortified with it. If you have mental illness in your family or are looking to have kids it's worth getting tested, not intervening early in a kid's life with this problem can result in a lot of behavioral issues.