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posted ago by PointyStick ago by PointyStick +61 / -0

If there is one change that I hate the most it is the concept of gendered endings for both persons and titles. There is no such thing as "singular they", if you do not know the gender of the person that you're addressing, you should use "he" and the reason for that has to do with German:

In recent years (since about 1990/2000?) (((German teachers))) forced the endings of titles and job descriptions from pure-male into male / female form (you even get a fine if you don't do it, by German law, oy vey), then started telling everyone that titles / jobs being male was a result of patriarchy and the reason that "the worker" - "der Arbeiter" had no female "-in" ending was because women weren't allowed in the workforce. That is not the case: title, status and jobs used to be always male. I recently noticed it when they took it too far: "the customer" - "der Kunde", not "die Kundin", and especially the plural form "the customers" - "Die Kunden / die Kundinnen" - there is no such word as "Kundinnen", it's a bastardization of the German language. "Saying 'die Kunden' (the customers) would exclude women from being customers" - no it fucking doesn't. "Customer" is a status, a role. Roles always have male ending, end of story. "The teacher" - "der Lehrer", "the pupil" - "der Schüler": (((Germans))) have tried - and largely succeeded - to undermine this concept by saying that because of the male "-er" ending, it would not include women.

It's especially noticable in the German plural form where "-in" has to be extended to "-innen": "Die Schüler" (plural) - "die Schülerinnen": There is no such word, "Schüler" (pupils, plural) includes girls, too, because "Schüler" is a status. But teachers wouldn't have it.

Then they've even gone further by pushing a "diverse" form (male / female / diverse) and introducing it as an "inclusivity star", so now you have to write "Kund*innnen" or "KundInnen" to also include trans people of color - or else! It's an abomination of language and it happened fast enough that I can still remember everyone using "he" and male endings. For teaching spanish they've even tried to force pupils to write the "@" sign to designate "o/a" endings. Why, just why.

Right now they are forcing everyone to use "he/she" in conversations or "they" (as people get tired of a change that wasn't there originally). Job descriptions and titles (such as "the user" - "der Nutzer") used to be male, there was no female "the user-in" - "die Nutzer-in" form. "She is a worker", not "she is a worker-in". Only in recent years some (((people))) have started forcing using gendered endings for titles, jobs, and roles and we should resist it in our own conversations.

The reason "singular they" is deranged is understandable to anyone with two braincells: Because then there is no distinguishable form between singular and plural. "They gave me some apples" - he or she, singular or plural? German has "Sie" or "usted" in Spanish as the polite, non-gendered version of addressing someone. English has no such thing. You are talking to a person as if he has multiple personalities and I think that's what they want.

Your language is an expression of your feelings. If you can't express a concept - in this case masculinity for titles - then it doesn't exist. That is why want to subvert language, to control your feelings, your emotions, and to turn non-political concepts into political ones, in order to further divide people.

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TheWestYearZero 13 points ago +13 / -0

I might be watching a boxing or football match between two men and the commentators still avoid saying he or him to refer to them.

"Each boxer/player has their own..."

Huh? We don"t say "his" any more?

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PurestEvil 8 points ago +8 / -0

Well said. It drives me insane to see "M/W/D" and "BullshitInnen" in the German language. Of COURSE those who contest it must be PUNISHED by the benevolent government.

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PointyStick [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0

Ah yes, m/w/d: male / white / deutsch

I check all boxes, hire me

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PurestEvil 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nice, I think I will use that at some point. Somehow.

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Tourgen 8 points ago +8 / -0

Change your language, change your thoughts. It's insidious and effective way of controlling you.

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OrganicMolecules 5 points ago +5 / -0

The inclusive version hides the actual plural. Freund becomes freund:innen.

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KonyHawk_ProSlaver 5 points ago +5 / -0

The left wins language wars the right doesn't even know are being fought.

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TendieMan 5 points ago +5 / -0

English already has a gender neutral pronoun: 'it'.

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DoubleEagle 3 points ago +4 / -1

I hate newspeak, but your point is deeply flawed.

You are talking to a person as if he has multiple personalities and I think that's what they want.

This sentence, while a bit of a grammatical mess, reveals the usefulness of "they."

I'm going to assume, for clarity, thst you were not indicating that the person your addressing wants you to talk to them as if they had multiple personalities. Instead you are speaking of a vague "they" who wishes to impose newspeak.

The problem is, you don't know know how many people they are. They could be a network of millions, a cabal of dozens, or a single unnamed lizard trillionaire.

They works for one or more.

"He said management won't like this deal." "That's crazy! Once management sees these numbers, they will love it."

Management could be a board or simply the president.

If you know the gender use it, but if you don't or don't know the number, use they.

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PointyStick [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0

I watched Google talks from 2009, everyone uses "he/him" to refer to persons. "The user has a choice, so he can press that button". Now everywhere they (plural persons) use "they" to refer to a single person.

But for the German version it makes no sense.

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TheWestYearZero 1 point ago +1 / -0

"I am assuming that the person you are speaking to wants you to address him or her as if..."

  • what is wrong with this? why should it not be preferred to the mis-numbering use of they or them?

This difficulty can often be avoided simply by using plural subjects.

Most galling however is the use of they/them by propaganda-broken people when the individual being referenced is right before before our eyes, in all of his or her sex-obvious splendor.

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HeadHeldHigh 2 points ago +2 / -0

Grammatical gender. I.e. why the "latinx" thing is clinically retarded. Masculine is also the neutral in grammar, as seen in most european languages. English used to be like that too, just a few decades ago.

No, women aren't being left out, it's just grammar. Imagine doing this to someone elses language: "I don't like the grammar rules so i'm just going to speak how i want"

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fuckinlegend 1 point ago +2 / -1

Shit. should I learn German instead of Spanish? Conflicted

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PointyStick [S] 6 points ago +6 / -0

Well I'm German, so that's my natural answer. German has the benefit of having lots of poetry.

If you want to learn German, definitely don't learn it from online discussions / forums, videos or news articles. They are engli-fied as hell. I've noticed that when reading old Prussian writings, they often use French loan-words because back then France was the lingua franca, not English. Now it's English, due to the internet. In 2019 there was a proposal to make German the language for Germany in law - it was rejected. Imagine being so subverted that you hate your own language.

Get yourself Der ewige Brunnen (edit: don't order from the english site, it's overpriced as hell lmao, the German copy cost $12, the english one $55) - it's a standard collection of German poetry and the collected works of Wilhelm Busch. During the war, schools main reading material was poetry and old German songs - which are basically poetry in musical form. I also have a massive library of Goethe, Busch, Schiller, Hesse, Fontane, Brecht, Kafka. This list is a good start. Just exclude anyting from Lessing and Nietzsche.

Be aware that you might not be able to learn "old German" properly on the first try because modern teaching is pozzed. Basically learn modern German in order to learn the syntax and then learn old German by reading books, that's how I'd do it.

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fuckinlegend 3 points ago +3 / -0

Thanks bro. I think Spanish is a more "useful" language from a utilitarian standpoint just because so many people speak it. but there's no denying the beauty of ze Deutsch. It feels like way more 20th century philosophers were coming out of Germany.

They're in a sorry state, it's basically illegal for you to be patriotic, isn't it?

Thanks for the list, stay strong bruder.

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Monky 4 points ago +4 / -0

Both you coward.

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BigBeef 3 points ago +3 / -0

Old English u/#Lgigachad

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PointyStick [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

áfæstnest.

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just-a-normal-dude 1 point ago +1 / -0

Alternate take: (((They))) want they used singularly as well as plural (and possessive too apparently) because niggers can't understand grammar.

They had to kill that cracka to get they shoes for school